300W to 450W: 20 Power Supplies on the Test Bench
by Christoph Katzer on December 31, 2008 6:00 AM EST- Posted in
- Cases/Cooling/PSUs
Thermaltake TR2 QFan 400W
Today we will again show the Thermaltake TR2 QFan series since Thermaltake is one of the first manufacturers to show it will listen to end-users. Unfortunately, this series is still not available on the market and various statements from Thermaltake have ranged from "it's already available" to no comment at all. We don't have any clear idea what's going on with this series, but we will be sure to have a chat with the representatives at CES 2009. The first time we saw this series was at CeBIT in Germany this year, but since it's nothing new to find a manufacturer needs a little extra time for a product to hit the market we still aren't worried. The series comes a grayish brown color that looks quite cool. Thermaltake installed their QFan inside for a little extra airflow. We know that this fan can be noisy, even though Thermaltake praises it for very quiet operation.
We have seen quite a lot CWT build power supplies -- the company must have had a hell of year in sales. As far as the QFan, we see minimal components on the input filtering stage and the internals are very sparse in comparison to higher-end PSUs. Of course, if you only need to output 300W to 450W, you don't need a lot of extra components. We find a standard CWT design with three heatsinks, two for the primary side. Thermaltake uses Hitachi capacitors for the primary and SamXon caps on the secondary side. We don't have any complaints about the Hitachi caps, and even though SamXon is a cheaper offering, we haven't encountered any problems with their capacitors in previously tested PSUs.
Cable sleeving begins just beyond where the cable harnesses leave the front of the power supply. We tend to think it looks nicer if the sleeving begins inside the power supply casing, but it's not a huge issue and personal opinion plays a role. Also somewhat odd is that Thermaltake provides the same number of cables and connectors, with identical cable lengths on all of the TR2 power supplies. That means users get plenty of connectors on the 300W model, but the 450W trimmings seem a bit spartan in comparison. We would have liked to see an 8-pin EPS 12V connector or an additional 6-pin PEG connector. Still, there are sufficient Molex and SATA connectors for all kinds of users.
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Christoph Katzer - Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - link
We cannot run after every brand there is and if those companies don't come to us... there are surely many more missing but we can only test products from companies that are actually interested in us testing their stuff. We had an Akasa unit before though...boboko - Sunday, January 4, 2009 - link
>"We cannot run after every brand there is and if those companies don't come to us..."I guess that is the problem with almost all review sites. And the worst thing is not that you skip the smaller guys, but that what you are reviewing is not off the shelf, it's sent to you buy a company that wants a good review. So even if they have rotten quality control, and half their stuff is DOA, you know the one they send you has been triple checked and fine tuned. Not your fault, but to me the reliability is MUCH more important than a few extra watts or a few less decibels, and there's just no way to get good data on that.
Griswold - Wednesday, January 7, 2009 - link
If you read the reviews here, you'd know that this assumption is false in general. AT has had junk on their bench on more than one occassion - if every supplier would do what you claim, all reviews would take place in happy bunny land where everything is dandy and no negative notion is possible. But thats not the case.Surely there will be those who go the extra mile to make their product look better than it is off the shelf, but you just cant hide every trace of incompetence and bad quality.
Much like we cant expect a review site buy every piece of hardware to test it and hope they can re-sell it without a loss.
marc1000 - Thursday, January 1, 2009 - link
wow, I know it was said before, but you guys really do listen to us. that's the reason I come here everyday to know the news! keep up the good job at 2009! regards!C'DaleRider - Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - link
I'm just curious why the "old" version of the Antec Earthwatts 430 was dug out and retested since Seasonic is no longer the OEM for it but now has Delta as the OEM supplier and has been for many months now.Seems it'd be only fitting that the "new" version would be tested instead of a version no longer being made or sold, except as NOS (new old stock).
Christoph Katzer - Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - link
If only "someone" could send it to us :] I will make sure to get new revision on time, you're totally right.sprockkets - Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - link
What were those bad things happening to the SII Seasonic PS?JarredWalton - Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - link
I believe Christoph is just saying that he's received an increase number of email messages from people saying that their Seasonic PSUs have failed. It's anecdotal at best, and it could just be a case of more people buying their PSUs and thus a small fraction that fails can still result in more complaints than before.Christoph Katzer - Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - link
Yes ;)There was a revision in the beginning that had problems with certain motherboards somehow, something to do with the "power good" signal. They've upgraded the series long time ago though.
Lonyo - Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - link
I'd just ordered some new parts, including a CX400 about 30 minutes before I saw this article come up.Nice to see that my choice seems fairly solid.
I'm sure this article will be relevant for other people as well.